Wednesday, February 11, 2009

To Work or Not to Work--Is That a Question?

Editor's Note: I had this posting scheduled months ago. In the meanwhile, two other blogs posted related articles referencing an article by Yonason Rosenblum, ( http://wolfishmusings.blogspot.com/The Answer is Nine To Five and http://orthonomics.blogspot.com/Variety Post: Links and Comments on a Whole Bunch of Stuff ) so I decided not to publish what follows. However, two things happened which changed my mind. One, the conversation with my reader that I posted about a few days ago, and two, I overheard a comment yesterday about a new choson and kallah where it was remarked "No, the kallah's parents aren't anybody special. The father works and so does the mother." That sent me scurrying to find the draft of this. The focus of Mr. Rosenblum's article was work and the Israeli Hareidi world. The problem of work is not limited to this sector, thus the posting that follows is not sector specific.

Okay, the battle has been fought, a protracted one at that, the combatants have given it their all, and it is time for the gong to ring signalling the end. All that remains is for the judges to declare a winner. "What battle is that?" you ask? The one about frum Jews and work.

Who are the combatants in this battle? Everyone it would seem. Younger folk who are determined to sit and learn forever. Younger folk who are determined to sit and learn to at least 25 or 26. Parents who want their boys learning. Parents who can't support their learning boys. Parents who won't support their learning boys. Parents who want their boys to learn and earn. Parents who expect the community to take care of training their children to make a living. Parents who believe it is their job to prepare their children for work. Parents who are in favor of college. Parents who are against college. Girls who want to marry a learning boy. Girls who want to marry an earning boy. Girls who want to marry a learning/earning boy. Parents of girls who want a learning boy. Parents of girls who want an earning boy.


Parents of teenagers who want their children to begin making money on their own. Parents who think that teenagers should not be working. Parents who believe that being 14 or 15 entitles you to entry level wages on the same level as adults get. Parents who want someone else to solve the problem of low wages and few jobs. Parents who have good ideas about how to provide jobs for teenagers but who have no one who will listen. Parents who refuse to even get in the middle of the discussion because it just might be bad for shidduchim some day.


Community leaders of every stripe--shul rabbis and roshei hayeshiva and school principals and seminary heads and teachers and tzedaka organization heads and doctors, lawyers and all the Indian chiefs.


Where do they all agree or disagree? On whether or not "Work" is something that the members of frum Klal should be doing. They disagree on how to define what work is. They disagree on what kind of work members of Klal should be doing. They disagree on when members of Klal should be working.


Mention one thing, though, and all the combatants agree: You can't live without money. One way or the other you need money to purchase the real necessities of life. This is where the "Work" battle bogs down--where are people going to get the money they must have?

There are three ways to get money in this world: you can work for it, you can marry it or you can inherit it. Plenty of Jews who believe that the last two are the route to take. However, the last two ways still have their basis in the first way, since somebody had to work to begin with in order for the money to be there. So basically we are still left with the first way as the only way to get money.

"Wrong!" someone yells loudly. There are two other ways to get money: you can steal it and you can "shnorr" for it. Let's eliminate the first choice, even though we all know or know of people who play fast and loose with government programs. And yes, who play fast and loose with other people's money as well. As to the second choice, yes I suppose it is more than possible to use charity collecting as a way of providing the money you need and don't have. It's already being done. It is, however, a very risky way of providing for a family.

WORK! Just hearing that word or seeing it written out gives some people wild frissons of fear and distaste. "Work" is what the other person does, so please stop waving the word in our face. How did we get to this point? In every other argument heard in frum communities you will find someone offering psukim from Chumash, from the Gemorah or Mishnah, from the writings of the greats of our past. But the side that is so anti-work is almost strangely silent here when it comes to bringing a precedent from our Jewish writings--the only canonical basis for their argument they bring is the Yissochar/Zevulun agreement. And that argument has some flaws in it. It raises some questions for me. Not every member of Yissochar sat down and learned; some worked. And not every member of Zevulun worked; some learned. Did no other shevet have learning people in it? Yes, they did. How were they supported? Or did they support themselves? The agreement was made between two specific shvatim--who are the direct descendants of those two shvatim today? With the exception of the leviim and cohanim of today, where a genetic link has been found going back centuries, who today can prove what shevet they are descended from? And then there is that pesky little posuk that says that a father is required to teach his son a trade. Why? Just for giggles? Or because work is expected?

One way or the other, work, and those who work, is not something to be ashamed of nor something to feel "less worthy" about. In every culture on earth working is a sign of an independent adult. Are we really truly saying that adult Jews don't need to work?

And then there is this. Does a rosh yeshiva get a salary from the yeshiva? Benefits? Does he perform tasks for the yeshiva? Does he have specific duties? Then he is a working man. Does a rebbi get a salary? Benefits perhaps? Does he have specific duties he must perform? Then he is a working man. Does a shul rav get a salary? Benefits? Are there tasks that are expected he will perform? Then he is a working man. Why is it then that so many roshei hayeshiva, so many rabbaim denigrate working people? Isn't this really a case of the pot calling the kettle black? If they are going to make the argument that working is a no-no, they are going to have to give up their salaries and benefits before saying so. Otherwise it's do as I say, not as I do. Just think: if all the holier-than-thou principals and rebbis gave up their salaries, so that labeling them as "working" people would no longer be possible, schools might have more money available to actually educate students.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

I admit that your last point I also wonder about. How can a man who takes a salary for work tell others that work is no good? I know, I know, they will say that they aren't really working the way work is defined. But if they aren't then how come they can still take a salary, something that is given for work the way most people define it.

My dad tells a story about a shul that was not happy with its rabbi. They weren't going to renew his contract. When the time came to tell the rabbi they didn't say they were firing him. They told him they had good news for him. He was going to be able to sit and learn all day just like he encouraged their sons to do.

SuperRaizy said...

It's so ridiculous that this is even a question in our community. In no other community in the world is it considered "pasht nis" for a man to hold down a job and suport his family.
Besides, the Torah tells us clearly: "sheshet yamim ta'avod"- six days you shall work.

Anonymous said...

I'm dumbfounded that it's come down to this. We throw around the word "crisis" like it's the last helicopter out of Saigon, but what you describe is pretty frightening.

My take on it? Work is a four-letter word to people who haven't been given the education and cultural permission to actually do what they like doing. If a kid isn't given the skills for a rewarding secular career, then of course working a boring or menial job will be distasteful! Give kids a real education, and they can make the choices they should be making.

Anonymous said...

The Yissochar/Zevulun agreement also supposed an even number of each group because it couldn't have worked out otherwise. But what those who push learning instead of earning aren't seeing is that there is an inbalance: not enough people working for the number of people they want to be learning.

And just a little cynicism here to start the day. Are all of those who are learning instead of earning really learning? Or are they taking up space or avoiding having to start real life? Why is it that you find all the places of business near a yeshiva full of customers from the yeshiva, during the learninig day?

Anonymous said...

The only problem with this posting is that those who need to be reading it are not the ones surfing the blogs. I work, my wife works and God willing my kids will work. That doesn't make me anti-learning. Whatever happened to the idea of Koveah Itim?

concernedjewgirl said...

I agree with Meir on the issue that the people that are already working are the ones reading this. The ones that have no intention of doing so: not reading this or any other blog relating to the subject.
I think it is also an issue of what is an appropriate job or not. Being a rabbi is okay. Being a teacher is okay. Being a doctor...now you are crossing the line.
I also agree that there are people who are incredibly gifted and who should dedicate their lives to learning and teaching. Yet, I'm not sure that everybody that is sitting and learning should be there. If you have the means/support to do so then for sure. If you are incredibly gifted and people will support you then go for it. If you are an average Bob...then making time to learn while you are working is the route that should be encouraged.

Its a real issue that is so scary.

G6 said...

Interestingly enough though:
When all these "Torah Only" types are looking for a good doctor, a good lawyer, a good secular teacher for their 6 year old, they ONLY want a frum person.
How do they suppose they are going to find those, or is it a case of, "good enough for you but not me"?

The posuk also states "Eitz Chayim Hi LAMACHAZIKIM BO"... not "L'lomdim bo".... something that would only be possible with a source of income.

G said...

Otherwise it's do as I say, not as I do

Exactly.

Problem is the great pyramid is crumbling as we type...i for one have just popped a bag of popcorn and am settling in for the show.

concernedjewgirl said...

I agree with G6 in regards to looking for a doctor.

MY FAVORITE IS when these frumer than thou people ask: "do you know a good frum woman gynecologist".

IS THAT NOT AN OXYMORON? You can't possibly have a FRUM WOMAN DOCTOR???

Anonymous said...

What still confuses me is that Tanach and the Talmud are full of the names we are told to revere and honor and they almost every one of them were working people. And not just high class types either, but sandlers and herders and the like. Why aren't these people brought as the examples we should follow? People who were clearly learned, who devoted time to learning, but who had full time jobs and supported themselves and their families.

Anyone know how they explain these working achronim and gedolim to the students today?

Anonymous said...

ConcernedJewgirl - what do you mean that "doctor crosses the line"? Why is not okay?

concernedjewgirl said...

Meaning that higher education other than sitting in Kollel is not looked upon favorably. However if one wanted to become a teacher that would be under the premise of these people as acceptable.

In my opinion being a doctor is fantastic. For girls or boys. Yet, my opinion is not what is being discussed in this posting.

Anonymous said...

Ahhh I see thanks.

Anonymous said...

One of the saddest things is that by not working and contributing to the economic well-being of the community, but instead depending on others to pay their kids' tuitions, kollel stipends, etc. the "learners" are siphoning funds that might be put to use to help people who are physically or mentally incapable of working - children, the elderly, sick and disabled. Therefore, this mess is a double tragedy.

Anonymous said...

Sometimes religion has to get practical. There isn't enough money in the community now to support people who could be working and are learning instead and also support people who really need help because of sickness etc. In a bad economy time everyone has to adjust and the learners don't want to have to do that. Worse, they want others to join them.

The real question is where is all that money going to come from. The learning people just don't like the answer. Tough!

Anonymous said...

All I can say is I'm gonna sit back, relax, kiss my paycheck and watch the community crumble to pieces and suffer because they'd rather be moochers than make a living. They'll come knocking at my door for donations for learning boys in yeshiva or a fully furnished apartment for a learning couple, and I will whisper, "No."