tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post8020529076853939624..comments2024-02-23T04:39:49.329-05:00Comments on Conversations in Klal: On Zoos and Out of TownProfKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-25296360486035369492008-06-17T18:16:00.000-04:002008-06-17T18:16:00.000-04:00Anyone who asks for paper cup to drink water clea...Anyone who asks for paper cup to drink <I>water</I> clearly has no grasp of the basic halachot of kashrut....<BR/><BR/>I personally have lived in several OOT communities, and I remember being amazed when I first got there how starkly different it was from Brooklyn.Nice Jewish Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08143569412761938449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-48164758671338306362008-06-17T11:11:00.000-04:002008-06-17T11:11:00.000-04:00I have to agree with G that out of town does not m...I have to agree with G that out of town does not mean anywhere other then Brooklyn, except maybe to those who live in Brooklyn and consider it as the center of the universe or at least the US universe. I'd argue however that simply saying the tri-state area is all in town could be debateable. Lots of people for whom Connecticut is definitely out of town.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-55953755082294466672008-06-17T10:09:00.000-04:002008-06-17T10:09:00.000-04:00...and for the record, as has been stated before, ......and for the record, as has been stated before, "oot" only begins once you leave the tri-state area.<BR/><BR/>You may not like it, but that does not make it any less true.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-8946634104972839332008-06-17T01:39:00.000-04:002008-06-17T01:39:00.000-04:00Fair enough, and you feel those things are not pre...Fair enough, and you feel those things are not present "oot"?Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-82688633281357084472008-06-16T12:52:00.000-04:002008-06-16T12:52:00.000-04:00G:first of all, please don't put words in my mouth...G:<BR/><BR/>first of all, please don't put words in my mouth or otherwise misconstrue what i wrote. for some reason you inferred that OOT mean outside of New York, when in fact OOT means anything outside of brooklyn.<BR/><BR/>but to answer your question, i would answer stability and most importantly choiceLion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-78462619117412033892008-06-16T12:03:00.000-04:002008-06-16T12:03:00.000-04:00i understand that some OOT communities have the ba...<I>i understand that some OOT communities have the basics for an orthodox lifestyle, but could you please define what you and others mean by "flourishing," "vibrant," etc.</I><BR/><BR/>Sure thing, but first I would like you to do the same thing for New York. <BR/>After all, I understand that most NY communities have the basics for an orthodox lifestyle. However, could <I>you</I> please explain to me what you mean to take as a given that they are "flourishing" and "vibrant"?Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-40995218885888035952008-06-16T10:43:00.000-04:002008-06-16T10:43:00.000-04:00It is incredible the amount of people that have at...It is incredible the amount of people that have attitudes about frumkite on both sides of the NY non NY spectrum. What is more interesting is everyone thinks that they are more frum then the other. What I don't understand is why these extremely holy people don't live in Israel the Mecca of holy? Why is it that NEW YORK is considered to be the end all be all. Is it possible that New Yorkers are actually fakes and are to sissy to be the real thing? Could that be why so many NY frummies have such negative attitudes? Or could it be that New Yorkers realize that there is life outside their state and they cannot deal with it?concernedjewgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10361462141869154634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-65572680103417905252008-06-16T06:39:00.000-04:002008-06-16T06:39:00.000-04:00Lion,"what should she have asked? i'm not sure how...Lion,<BR/>"what should she have asked? i'm not sure how she should have acted in this situation. she has standards and how should she know if the people she stayed by shared those standards?" Really simple--ask the relative before you arrive if where you are staying is a frum house according to your standards. If you are really that "medakdek," then water is the least of the problems you are worried about. As I understand it all the meals were served in shul so the only question is that drink of water.<BR/><BR/>As to your question about "flourishing" and "vibrant," fodder for a different posting.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-77380568273977555512008-06-15T23:25:00.000-04:002008-06-15T23:25:00.000-04:00"How many let their amazement obviously show that ..."How many let their amazement obviously show that Yiddishkeit can actually be growing and flourishing outside"<BR/><BR/>i understand that some OOT communities have the basics for an orthodox lifestyle, but could you please define what you and others mean by "flourishing," "vibrant," etc.Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-39752750351302580242008-06-15T23:23:00.000-04:002008-06-15T23:23:00.000-04:00as i've said before, there are 2 weddings that i r...as i've said before, there are 2 weddings that i remember the most (besides my own). one was the most expensive wedding i ever attended (it was such a classy affair) and the other was the cheapest wedding (it was the nicest wedding). the latter was out of town (in atlanta). it was in the rec room of the shul, milichik buffet and an amateur band. but it was so much fun and there was something really special in the air.<BR/><BR/>regarding the rude comments about the hosts being cheap and adjusting the gifts because of this, i have a post in the works.<BR/><BR/>"clear that she didn't trust my kashrut, but she never even asked me"<BR/><BR/>what should she have asked? i'm not sure how she should have acted in this situation. she has standards and how should she know if the people she stayed by shared those standards?<BR/><BR/>btw, SI has a great zoo for kids (iirc free on wed.)Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-17767970844621632092008-06-15T15:44:00.000-04:002008-06-15T15:44:00.000-04:00Some of our visitors have been sincerely intereste...Some of our visitors have been sincerely interested in how we manage being frum where there aren't a lot of us. But I've met the ones you describe also. They don't even try to figure out how we do it, they just can't imagine why we do it.<BR/><BR/>One great aunt who had not visited us until this past year always sent us care packages for every yom tov and birthday and chanukah. She would include coffee and mayo and Cheerios and spices because she was sure we had to import these things. When she came for my son's Bar Mitzvah she was stunned and embarrassed. But until she didn't see it with her own eyes she wouldn't believe us that we could get everything we needed with no problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-45884709022097062412008-06-15T10:12:00.000-04:002008-06-15T10:12:00.000-04:00I don't understand that attitude at all. The "out ...I don't understand that attitude at all. The "out of town" Jewish communities that I have visited have all been warm, friendly, vibrant communities that extend lovely hospitality to guests. In most places, the cost of living is a lot more reasonable than New York, and the children lead more active, outdoor lives than NY kids do. I would love to move out of NY and become part of one of these communities.SuperRaizyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06742653185025562286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-12543194347976569102008-06-15T09:57:00.000-04:002008-06-15T09:57:00.000-04:00Like you say it is not all new yorkers. We don't ...Like you say it is not all new yorkers. We don't like being thought of as a thing any more then the outoftowners do.<BR/><BR/>The ones who did all the talking are probably the same ones who talk about the dating people in your other post. And just curious, aren't their any gossips out of town?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com