tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post7102928901223945948..comments2024-02-23T04:39:49.329-05:00Comments on Conversations in Klal: What Color Isn'tProfKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-27032285301492975342008-09-10T16:35:00.000-04:002008-09-10T16:35:00.000-04:00Great post! I was out window shopping with a frie...Great post! I was out window shopping with a friend the other day, who picked up a bright red and purple skirt (my two favorite colors) and talked about how perfect the colors were. Then she picked up a white-and-gray one and commented on how that was "more Ahuva's style." My heart sank. I love bright colors and it's pure silliness not to wear them!Ahuvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313911386166259760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-76900134661242056642008-09-09T08:39:00.000-04:002008-09-09T08:39:00.000-04:00First time I had read about the color blindness in...First time I had read about the color blindness in men. I called my cousin who is an opthalmologist and she said that your figures might even be too low because of new studies that came out recently. So I think you are right. How do we even know what color a rabbi is talking about when he bans a color if it could be that he doesn't see that color the way at least 50 percent of the population--women--does?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-46295207888671833362008-09-09T07:39:00.000-04:002008-09-09T07:39:00.000-04:00Thought I'd throw this into the discussion. About...Thought I'd throw this into the discussion. About 1 in every ten men is color blind. This is with the most common type of color blindness--the red-green one. Those who also have yellow-blue color blindness will also have the red-green type. But here is the kicker. The rate of color blindness in the ashkenazic Jewish male population is more than double that of the general population, or about 1.3 out of every 5 Jewish males is color blind.<BR/><BR/>And these Jewish males are issuing commands about color? It might explain the strange color combinations sometimes seen on males arriving at your door for a date, but just what is it that these males are seeing when they see the color red? Or any color? In a very real sense we are letting "blind men" make decisions based on what they see, and they may not be seeing what is really there.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-52222905818001832162008-09-09T04:37:00.000-04:002008-09-09T04:37:00.000-04:00I confess, I am curious. What color red are we ref...I confess, I am curious. <BR/>What color red are we referring to? <BR/>Scarlet? Raspberry, strawberry, magenta, coral, peach, vermillion, maroon, wine, auburn, copper, pink, fire-engine red, blush, rose....<BR/>Personally, the only thing I thought was preferable not to wear was eye-catching scarlet or fire engine red. All the rest- enjoy Hashem's hues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-27364202689183077642008-09-08T19:49:00.000-04:002008-09-08T19:49:00.000-04:00Prof. K. hits another one out of the park.The ligh...Prof. K. hits another one out of the park.<BR/><BR/>The lights have gone out in a lot of the frum world, unfortunately. A generation of robots, in penguin colors. And people wonder why there are kids at risk.<BR/><BR/>The people may mean well, wanting to distance themselves from the degeneracy of the surrounding world. There is also an element of imitating the Hassidim, who some admire and romanticize from afar, without knowing much about them (see "Grass greener in Kiryas Joel and New Square ?" ;-). <BR/><BR/>But hey, does that mean we have to dress like priests and nuns ? Hey, even they have more options nowadays.<BR/><BR/>There is also a middle ground here. There happen to be many colors between red and black and white.<BR/><BR/>Did prominent Rebbetzins and mechanchos in the past dress in all black ??<BR/><BR/>P.S. The recent popularity of black in the outside world must be considered when discussing this topic as well. I think that it is a factor too, as it enables people to dress in black and people can think they are doing it to be stylish, not just 'frum'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-74714075272032218152008-09-08T16:46:00.000-04:002008-09-08T16:46:00.000-04:00When I was living in Washington Heights for a summ...When I was living in Washington Heights for a summer, I would often feel very conspicuous at shul, since I wore colors. Not everyone was in black and white (there were a few women who wore pink) but I would be the only person in a green shirt and a shiny purple skirt. Even when I was at my frummest, I never would have abandoned wearing colors. Though I never was chareidi, only Modern Orthodox, so that's probably why I could get away with wearing colors, even in places where it was uncommon for others to do so.Knitter of shiny thingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10495339297497300925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-16872006623039326992008-09-08T15:09:00.000-04:002008-09-08T15:09:00.000-04:00At last count I have nine red or reddish hued shir...At last count I have nine red or reddish hued shirts and about the same number of red scarves. LOVE 'em. (Not to mention the aqua, lime green, brown, orange, purple, blue, white, off-white, and yes, black ones). For many people, the right shade of red is extremely flattering. No way would I give that up. Even severely color blind people don't limit their wardrobes to shades of black and white, despite the mix-and-match difficulties they must encounter getting dressed in the morning.<BR/><BR/>(And I loved you & your husband's approach, Leahle!)A Living Nadneydahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14365370597831368062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-72234424984486828092008-09-08T14:02:00.000-04:002008-09-08T14:02:00.000-04:00Our world is filled with a multitude of colors in ...<I>Our world is filled with a multitude of colors in every shade and tint imaginable. We don't live in a black and white world with only a few shades of grey for contrast.</I><BR/><BR/>Blasphemy!!!<BR/>This "color" business you speak of is only a creation of the lowly, modern times we live in, rachmana litzlan.<BR/>I ask you, did they have such "colors" in Europe? NO, they did not!<BR/>Just look at any pictures from that most holy time in our history, you will not find color anywhwhere! Everyone is in strictly black or white as well as that gray you seem to abhore so much.<BR/><BR/>So there.Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08512231582715592098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-33240424019717090832008-09-08T12:59:00.000-04:002008-09-08T12:59:00.000-04:00I think you mentioned this once ProfK but if red w...I think you mentioned this once ProfK but if red were an untsnius color would God have given frum people people red hair? By the logic that seems to go with the wear black only movement, no one is frum enough unless their hair is black and their eyes are black. Blue eyed blondes and green eyed redheads clearly need to get plastic surgery or cosmetic help because they are going to get thrown out of Klal. I'm packing a suitcase in case I have to escape suddenly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-77958975486654396932008-09-08T11:06:00.000-04:002008-09-08T11:06:00.000-04:00Why the color of what a single girl wears should h...Why the color of what a single girl wears should have anything to do with shidduchim is way beyond me. I'll add another shalom bayis problem to the one Leah mentioned--shidduchim that are made on the basis of a girl's size and the color of clothes she wears. Like those are the two most important things to base a marriage on. So you get a girl who is a size 4 and she wears black--are you going to be a happy husband based on these things? If you are, I really wonder who needs you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-91471869425306198822008-09-08T10:20:00.000-04:002008-09-08T10:20:00.000-04:00I used to think this was just a married versus sin...I used to think this was just a married versus single problem, that it was the singles that had to follow the clothing color rules or it could cause problems for shidduchim. But it's not just a singles problem any more. People talk about married women too. <BR/><BR/>When we were first married and lived in Brooklyn the rav of our shul told my husband in a very kind manner that my wearing a raspberry colored suit to shul was not sending the right message about who we really were and what we believed in.<BR/><BR/>My hubby finished college and we were out of Brooklyn in a flash. When my frumkeit was judged by the color of my suit then we were so living in the wrong place.<BR/><BR/>You want to know one reason for so many shalom bayis issues in marriages today? Way too many people mixing in into what should be private business between a husband and a wife. And clothing color is one of those places that the rabbis should not be mixing into.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-67658071297164389372008-09-08T09:50:00.000-04:002008-09-08T09:50:00.000-04:00AMEN sister! :-)My favorite color is Red too!AMEN sister! :-)<BR/>My favorite color is Red too!concernedjewgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10361462141869154634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-68778750764388278162008-09-08T09:40:00.000-04:002008-09-08T09:40:00.000-04:00These associations are all cultural. There are so...These associations are all cultural. There are societies where red is the color of mourning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-42462339336581296052008-09-08T09:32:00.000-04:002008-09-08T09:32:00.000-04:00Have you ever tried to find your wife when looking...Have you ever tried to find your wife when looking over a mechitzah at a simcha? All you see is one solid mass of black. I spotted what I was sure was my wife from the back because I remembered what her suit looked like. Tapped her on the shoulder and a strange woman turned around. Not just the black color the same--4 people wearing the same suit. Talk about a uniform!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-61078481885359306082008-09-08T08:55:00.000-04:002008-09-08T08:55:00.000-04:00I love wearing colors, even though I live in Brook...I love wearing colors, even though I live in Brooklyn. I wear shirts in pretty much all colors, but the red ones are my favorites. My handbag and warm winter boots are red. My fall coat is red.<BR/><BR/>They'd better not try to stop me from wearing my tzniusdik clothing in colors that look good on me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-76082499435079139302008-09-08T08:06:00.000-04:002008-09-08T08:06:00.000-04:00If the purpose for wearing all black is so that fr...If the purpose for wearing all black is so that frum Jews won't be noticeable, that frum women won't bring attention to themselves, which would be more tsniusdik, then the black color fails miserably. In a world full of color we stand out very noticeably when we wear all black. And it's just plain depressing. I like color and I wear it and if someone else doesn't like it isn't there something much more important they could be working on like solving Jewish poverty?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-686136138455027232008-09-08T08:01:00.000-04:002008-09-08T08:01:00.000-04:00Applause! Applause! I can't stand the idea of hav...Applause! Applause! I can't stand the idea of having to wear black all the time and I don't do it either. But then I don't live in Brooklyn or Lakewood or Beit Shemesh B. Have we really lost our brains to the point where we will stone people for wearing the "wrong" color? That's not frumkeit. That's fanaticism fueled by stupidity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com