tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post7053832578595052492..comments2024-02-23T04:39:49.329-05:00Comments on Conversations in Klal: By Your Cholent You Will be KnownProfKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-66575244583332277032008-07-04T13:08:00.000-04:002008-07-04T13:08:00.000-04:00I suppose this comment is better late than never. ...I suppose this comment is better late than never. Dave, it can be both pronunciation and spelling that contribute to how a word morphs over time, particularly across different languages. The ch/sh/sch dipthong gives us many different pronunciations across time and across borders, and there is a frequent interchange. It is quite plausible that the "sh" in shul changed to the "ch" in cholent. It is quite possible that the original pronunciation of the word was "shulendt." It is such changes that have English speakers saying "knight," beginning with an "n" sound, when other Germanic language families still pronounce the word with a hard "k." We retain the "ght" spelling and don't pronounce anything but the "t" whereas other Germanic language speakers have gone from the original "k-nig-he-teh" to "k-nicht," all orginating from "koenig," the king.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-37764381070650909822008-05-28T12:17:00.000-04:002008-05-28T12:17:00.000-04:00As far as the etymology of Chulent, I think both t...As far as the etymology of Chulent, I think both theories are implausible. "<I>Chaud</I>" doesn't even sound like chulent, and I can see no evident transformation rule that will get you from one to the other - And "shul ende" is completely absurd and not worthy of attention. Observe - people who go to "shool" pronounce it "chuhlent" and people who pronounce it "choolent" go to "sheel"<BR/><BR/>The most likely etymology is, again through the French "<I>chalant</I>" - as in <I>non-chalant</I> which means cool, "not hot"- which in turn comes from the Latin "<I>calere</I>" as in calorie, the unit of heat.Dave the Philosopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14949106922579779154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-45165552058006720162008-01-11T09:13:00.000-05:002008-01-11T09:13:00.000-05:00Think I have the strangest cholent story. A woman ...Think I have the strangest cholent story. A woman at work was complaining that she has so much to do over the weekend and there is never any time to cook a meal for Saturday lunch when all her kids come to visit. She knows I'm frum and in another conversation I must have mentioned that we don't do work on shabbos like cooking. She asked me how I possibly serve a hot meal if we can't cook. Anyway, I gave her my cholent recipe and she made it for the next weekend and her kids loved it. Now she makes it all the time. And if it counts that protestant family likes it with the potatoes in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-52209847158535408092008-01-10T08:01:00.000-05:002008-01-10T08:01:00.000-05:00Problem is even worse if you have a mixed marriage...Problem is even worse if you have a mixed marriage. His family is litvish and mine is hungarian. I put in a potato for my husband but I always feel like I'm fartreifing my pot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-29847002517356441752008-01-09T14:39:00.000-05:002008-01-09T14:39:00.000-05:00People put turkey ihn cholent? Would be grounds fo...People put turkey ihn cholent? Would be grounds for divorce in this house.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-34716282002436222322008-01-09T07:51:00.000-05:002008-01-09T07:51:00.000-05:00My crock pot broke a few weeks ago close to shabbo...My crock pot broke a few weeks ago close to shabbos and I didn't have time to get a new one. I bought ready made cholent for shabbos. Should have seen the looks on my family's faces. Everyone took one bite and then left the cholent on the plates. Cholent is serious business and substitutes for the real thing aren't welcome. How serious? My husband went out on sunday and bought me two crockpots so just in case one breaks again there is always a backup.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-74853537312894786392008-01-08T12:57:00.000-05:002008-01-08T12:57:00.000-05:00But what if your family doesn't have a cholent rec...But what if your family doesn't have a cholent recipe (long story) just how are you supposed to find the best recipe? Someone help please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-11574928382910095782008-01-08T07:25:00.000-05:002008-01-08T07:25:00.000-05:00Cholent with the potatos tastes fine when it's fre...Cholent with the potatos tastes fine when it's fresh but the one without is much better as leftovers. And there better be leftovers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-68666885153291447382008-01-08T00:24:00.000-05:002008-01-08T00:24:00.000-05:00I love it! Going to try it on the next shadchan t...I love it! Going to try it on the next shadchan that makes me crazy trying to put the right label on my kids. Want to bet she writes down modern potato machmir on her form?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-75329124693724929792008-01-07T11:22:00.000-05:002008-01-07T11:22:00.000-05:00Maybe shadchanim should be giving guys cholent sam...Maybe shadchanim should be giving guys cholent samples instead of showing them pictures. My grandmother says that the way to a man's heart is through his stomache so this would probably work better then the way we do things now.<BR/><BR/>I'm flexible on the potatoes if someone really doesn't want them. I guess I'm modern potato machmir.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-12013814555321546792008-01-07T10:44:00.000-05:002008-01-07T10:44:00.000-05:00have had cholent a lot of different ways and I'll ...have had cholent a lot of different ways and I'll eat them all. If I get to choose I'll take the one without the potatoes. Leaves more room for meat in the cholent that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-65891068529707354942008-01-07T07:52:00.000-05:002008-01-07T07:52:00.000-05:00Best cholents in the world are made by the shtible...Best cholents in the world are made by the shtible rebbetzins. Ours gives kiddush on rosh chodosh and the shul is packed. They also make the best potato kugels in the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-25579684593462198232008-01-06T22:26:00.000-05:002008-01-06T22:26:00.000-05:00leave it to us jews to make a war over something l...leave it to us jews to make a war over something like cholent. Can't we ever agree on anything?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-7880267522683574362008-01-06T15:18:00.000-05:002008-01-06T15:18:00.000-05:00Of course cholent is important in shidduchim! You ...Of course cholent is important in shidduchim! You have any idea how many cholent meals he is going to have to eat over the years of marriage? And plese only redt me girls who are potatoe minded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-34612613035434260712008-01-06T14:40:00.000-05:002008-01-06T14:40:00.000-05:00Nowaynever, if there is a machlokes, ask daas Tora...Nowaynever, if there is a machlokes, ask daas Torah. I think that most Flatbush ravs will paskin in favor of potatos. Meal Mart follows a different shita since they don't put in the potatos.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-10369309200547521612008-01-06T14:37:00.000-05:002008-01-06T14:37:00.000-05:00My hubby says it was my mother's cholent that deci...My hubby says it was my mother's cholent that decided him to ask me to marry him. I'm not always so sure that he is just kidding when he says this. And we are not a potato in the cholent house.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-40735818256703375142008-01-06T14:22:00.000-05:002008-01-06T14:22:00.000-05:00Come on, cholent over Victorias secret? Must be a...Come on, cholent over Victorias secret? Must be a hungarian thing like chandeliers in the bathroom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-31291778781654376802008-01-06T14:16:00.000-05:002008-01-06T14:16:00.000-05:00Your male students did a cooking video? Does thei...Your male students did a cooking video? Does their rosh yeshiva know? Not exactly up there with things they want the bochrim to know how to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-78223525594261721712008-01-06T14:11:00.000-05:002008-01-06T14:11:00.000-05:00Sorry noway but he is wrong. Put in the potato. E...Sorry noway but he is wrong. Put in the potato. Everyone knows the top boys in Lakewood insist on potato in the cholent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-34565146424514651182008-01-06T14:04:00.000-05:002008-01-06T14:04:00.000-05:00Oops sorry. nowaynever, leave out the potatoes for...Oops sorry. nowaynever, leave out the potatoes for a top shidduch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-39937674757027157532008-01-06T14:02:00.000-05:002008-01-06T14:02:00.000-05:00Not for nothing that there are some places I only ...Not for nothing that there are some places I only accept invitations for friday night dinner and some only for shabbos lunch. You taste the cholent once and you know whether to go back again for lunch.I like the people but this is cholent you are talking about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-64236000176606070572008-01-06T13:09:00.000-05:002008-01-06T13:09:00.000-05:00I guess soon they will add the what kind of cholen...I guess soon they will add the what kind of cholent do you make question to the shidduch questionaires. No nuttier then all the other ones. So is it better for shidduchim to put in the potatoes or leave them out?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-47673160659013173642008-01-06T12:24:00.000-05:002008-01-06T12:24:00.000-05:00Cholent is a weapon that someone should tell the g...Cholent is a weapon that someone should tell the government about. You eat it and it tastes great and then shabbos afternoon it starts attacking you. Maybe they could do a movie and call it Revenge of the Beans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-70918342872904251782008-01-06T11:46:00.000-05:002008-01-06T11:46:00.000-05:00Anonymous,Had I not eaten a cholent with prunes in...Anonymous,<BR/>Had I not eaten a cholent with prunes in it myself I,too, would have thought it impossible. The family is a very well known one from Galitzia and all of the wives add in prunes. They don't add in any meat. I can only guess that meat must have been in short supply in the location they originate from and prunes were plentiful. And I was served that cholent by other hostesses as well. I guess you can't argue taste.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-38518829469870648712008-01-06T11:42:00.000-05:002008-01-06T11:42:00.000-05:00Prunes in the cholent? Please tell me that was a j...Prunes in the cholent? Please tell me that was a joke!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com