tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post1143845298819312860..comments2024-02-23T04:39:49.329-05:00Comments on Conversations in Klal: Crying for KlalProfKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-78754867218376325802009-12-27T18:26:17.337-05:002009-12-27T18:26:17.337-05:00Anon 613,
I should have been clearer with the Eur...Anon 613,<br /><br />I should have been clearer with the European attitude reference. What I meant specifically was the pre-WWII attitude that was prevalent in European Jewry. Governments during that time period were hardly friendly to the Jews. In many--most--instances, cheating the government was a matter of staying alive, of holding on to anything that was owned. The cheating was wholesale and yes, getting caught was the problem, not the cheating. I see that attitude in too many people today, despite a wholly different system of governance being in place. The methodology of pre-war Europe is totally out of place in the world we are living in now. Yet, the attitude persists.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-39076124956435122052009-12-27T16:05:52.192-05:002009-12-27T16:05:52.192-05:00ProfK:
Thanks for another good post, but I am a li...ProfK:<br />Thanks for another good post, but I am a little perplesed by your reference to a 'European attitude' among certin in Klal,<br />Are you really referring to an attitude that the real error is to be caught, rather than the actual sin? If so, this is hardly a European attitude, instead its more a reflection of a corrupted moral compass!<br />Anon613-LondonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-62419428990143364962009-12-27T02:33:12.203-05:002009-12-27T02:33:12.203-05:00There are some real differences between the Spinka...There are some real differences between the Spinka Rebbe and Troper (I can't bring myself to give him the title Rabbi). <br /><br />1. Motivation does matter. That that tax fraud is proper - it's NOT! But there is a difference between someone who does something wring out of a desperate desire to help the klal, and someone who does something wrong just because "I want".<br /><br />2. The Spinka Rebbe did admit to wrongdoing in a very public fashion. Je may have had ulterior motives, but the simple fact is that he went public saying in very clear and unambiguous language that "we were wrong, this is not the way we should behave, and we are making changes." And, in fact, it seems that they ARE making changes, which are not going so easily. With Tropergate, NO ONE has admitted to anything, much less making any changes. Not Tropper, not the people who were backing him (and supposedly overseeing his operation), not the menuvalim who set the sting up, not the people who back the money man behind the sting. No admissions and no changes.<br /><br />Ultimately, the difference is that with Spinka, there may be some real positive change. With Tropper, I don't see it happening. And that's the worst thing of all.observernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-3971080230512421072009-12-25T10:39:39.140-05:002009-12-25T10:39:39.140-05:00I'm all of it--angry and sad and depressed and...I'm all of it--angry and sad and depressed and frustrated and just plain sick of news that is never good about klal. I wonder if these perpetrator's parents ever think about asking for a full refund for years of yeshiva tuition, because the lessons didn't seem to get through. But then some of these sickos were like that regardless of how much they were taught not to be.<br /><br />Just once I'd like the answer to the question "what's new" to be nothing.Ruthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-7840032009817085782009-12-24T11:45:12.351-05:002009-12-24T11:45:12.351-05:00If a Baptist would be caught doing any of this no ...If a Baptist would be caught doing any of this no one would point a finger and say all Baptists are just like this. Let a Jew get caught and suddenly it's all Jews are like this. Not pleasant but a fact of life and just another reason why people in Klal have to be ultra straight in their dealings. They may do something wrong but we all get colored with that brush.<br /><br />I'm with N. I'm more angry than sad at this point.Trudynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-50782882840235351792009-12-24T11:42:27.328-05:002009-12-24T11:42:27.328-05:00If you want to be cheered up, go read the stories ...If you want to be cheered up, go read the stories on VIN today about people beating up women who they think are tznuis -- and then beating up the cops who go to help their victims. Then, for an extra dose, you can read about the rabbis advocating for retroactive revocation of conversions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-74502421492360405372009-12-24T09:21:27.600-05:002009-12-24T09:21:27.600-05:00I'm angrier than I'm saddened by these eve...I'm angrier than I'm saddened by these events...NonymousGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11797875644242667498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-6644885314293279892009-12-24T08:34:16.296-05:002009-12-24T08:34:16.296-05:00I suppose crying is as good as any other reaction....I suppose crying is as good as any other reaction. Ranting or crying, neither one is going to get those who break the law to change their actions. Shouldn't be that way but we Jews have our share of bad apples just like everyone else. That some of these people had good intentions makes no difference--the road to hell is paved with good intentions.Allennoreply@blogger.com