tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post9129079776693654008..comments2024-02-23T04:39:49.329-05:00Comments on Conversations in Klal: When is Enough Enough?ProfKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-91461689612607901372008-11-01T09:14:00.000-04:002008-11-01T09:14:00.000-04:00Oh, now that is a clever mom!Oh, now that is a clever mom!Gilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13246089571573457394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-41045092845469278132008-10-29T10:15:00.000-04:002008-10-29T10:15:00.000-04:00Lion,I'm not in the business of grading comments o...Lion,<BR/>I'm not in the business of grading comments on my blog :). But I do work as both an instructor of English and as a professional editor, and it's not only Boteach who comes in for criticism here; whoever edited this piece, assuming that someone did, did a very poor job.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-66686923054319062462008-10-29T10:02:00.000-04:002008-10-29T10:02:00.000-04:00it's a good thing you don't grade our commentsit's a good thing you don't grade our commentsLion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-29525695526367150292008-10-29T07:48:00.000-04:002008-10-29T07:48:00.000-04:00Lion,Shmuely Boteach has written some articles I a...Lion,<BR/>Shmuely Boteach has written some articles I agree with wholeheartedly, but this isn't one of them. And, no surprise, I didn't like the article because I believe that it was poorly constructed and over-written. He made the type of errors that any Composition I instructor would have red pencilled. His logic needs some work as well. <BR/><BR/>On the basis of one law firm where he overheard a few snippets of conversation he is making comments about ALL Americans, comments that won't hold up for all Americans. His tone is harshly accusatory and condemning, thereby alienating more than a few readers. As you pointed out, his political partisanship, coming as it does at the beginning of the article, does not draw in all his readers but sends them on a track different from the one he was presumably heading on.<BR/><BR/>What comes across is that he is bashing America rather than presenting a problem that faces us that needs addressing and presenting some well-reasoned and well-thought out approaches to solving that problem. <BR/><BR/>Frankly, if he had turned this in to me I would have returned it marked "Unacceptable as written. Needs major revision."ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-86916871293182757012008-10-29T07:07:00.000-04:002008-10-29T07:07:00.000-04:00i don't think tv is the only cuprit, but i think i...<I>i don't think tv is the only cuprit, but i think it's a big one. (and "print media"? who reads?)</I><BR/><BR/>TV is also losing its advertising sway because of DVR's. We have a TIVO for our TV, and we never watch anything live, and thus rarely watch the ads anymore. When the kids are watching something (Sesame Street, Arthur, etc) they naturally fast forward during breaks in the program. So they also rarely see the ads other than the "ads" embedded in the programs.<BR/><BR/>MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-29970183235895679862008-10-29T02:22:00.000-04:002008-10-29T02:22:00.000-04:00i don't agree with the political undertones of...i don't agree with the political undertones of this:<BR/><BR/>http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1225199589246&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull<BR/><BR/>but it is relevant to the postLion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-62724326412566544302008-10-28T16:57:00.000-04:002008-10-28T16:57:00.000-04:00Rae, I understand your comment about the toy cell ...Rae, I understand your comment about the toy cell phone but there is more to it then just teaching the kids to want things. Someone bought our kids a toy phone. It looks just like the phones that were around at least 20 plus years ago. It doesn't look like any of the phones my kids have at home or that they see in their friend's houses. My two year old didn't know what to do with it at first. She had never seen a dial phone before. So the toy cellphone is not just about getting the kids to want to buy some extra gadget but sometimes about being what is today's technology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-23339140285440197672008-10-28T15:40:00.000-04:002008-10-28T15:40:00.000-04:00One thing you didn't mention is that kids are imit...One thing you didn't mention is that kids are imitative not just of other kids but of their parents and the other adults around them. When they see adults shopping and buying all kinds of things they learn that buying is a good thing. If dad or mom has a cell phone then they want one too. One of the toy companies makes a cell phone toy for toddlers. Even before they can really understand or read they are already being conditioned to buy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-29150997831093408232008-10-28T14:18:00.000-04:002008-10-28T14:18:00.000-04:00Sesame Place is the theme park for Sesame Street. ...Sesame Place is the theme park for Sesame Street. I remember going there many, many years ago as a child.<BR/><BR/>I think a lot of it is just training your kids on needs and wants. You can never stop all temper tantrums and whines, but instilling the right value will prove immeasurable in the long run and more importantly, when your child is an adult.<BR/><BR/>I see many young couples who are just starting to work and suddenly think they're phenomenally wealthy. And why not? They never worked before in their lives, many have parents helping them out with real cash, and they get a paycheck! Like a kid (with money) in a candystore and without anyone to say "no" they splurge on the most ridiculous stuff. Everyone has giant HDTV's and $100+ "triple play" cable packages and on and on.<BR/><BR/>Also, I would add that not having a TV, or not letting your kid watch doesn't help much. From conversations with young parents I often hear surprise at their kid coming home and asking for X (or worse saying things that are said on the show X is on), when X is on a show they don't let their child watch. Kids talk. Peer pressure is everywhere. It's all about values.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-13900033952246967472008-10-28T13:02:00.000-04:002008-10-28T13:02:00.000-04:00TV is a culprit. But so is print advertising and ...TV is a culprit. But so is print advertising and having what "everyone" else has. Jewish publications have a lot of tempting print advertising.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-41445496852078676192008-10-28T12:55:00.000-04:002008-10-28T12:55:00.000-04:00i don't think tv is the only cuprit, but i think i...i don't think tv is the only cuprit, but i think it's a big one. (and "print media"? who reads?)<BR/><BR/>regarding word of mouth: i was driving my son's friend home from school (you know, on one of those really inconvenient half days) and had a really good time eavesdropping on their cute conversation in the back. at one point they were reading a book together and there was a picture of some animal. the boy mentioned he saw this animal in sesame place (?) and he asked my son if he'd been there. of course then he turned and asked me if i can take him there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-22181828988495799542008-10-28T11:54:00.000-04:002008-10-28T11:54:00.000-04:00Thanks JS, I fixed the link.Lion, oh that it was o...Thanks JS, I fixed the link.<BR/><BR/>Lion, oh that it was only tv that was the culprit. There are also the ads on radio and in all types of print media specifically aimed at kids, and on the Internet. Then there are billboards and street advertising. And the hype in the stores. And then there is word of mouth among the kids. All it takes is one child to have Item A and all the others want it to. And yes, you are so right about the theme parks with their souvenir stands on every corner.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-77974078346991896172008-10-28T10:43:00.001-04:002008-10-28T10:43:00.001-04:00"They are marketed to aggressively and what they s..."They are marketed to aggressively and what they see and hear about they want."<BR/><BR/>another reason to restrict tv watching for kids<BR/><BR/>it is also one of the reason i'm not a big fan of certain theme parks and some other venues of children's entertainment (what my friend calls "canned entertainment"). on the way home yesterday from our favorite destination for family fun i was talking with the mrs. about the reasons we like it so much. i mentioned that there is no gift/souvenir shop and no attempt to sell you on anything other than simply having fun for the day.Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-1548811269251303182008-10-28T10:43:00.000-04:002008-10-28T10:43:00.000-04:00Good post. The link to ongoingtales doesn't work ...Good post. The link to ongoingtales doesn't work - there's no dash in the url.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com