tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post5258305529390713842..comments2024-02-23T04:39:49.329-05:00Comments on Conversations in Klal: A Further Word About KugelProfKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-34723525887596906992010-05-04T15:39:02.297-04:002010-05-04T15:39:02.297-04:00This made me hungry. And I can eat potato kugel at...This made me hungry. And I can eat potato kugel at any temperature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-66218366312419190502010-05-03T09:33:20.772-04:002010-05-03T09:33:20.772-04:00Ruth, thanks for sharing those interesting statist...Ruth, thanks for sharing those interesting statistics.<br />That's my point about the mayo--the fish or hard-boiled eggs spoil more quickly than mayo. And yes, bacteria love moisture.<br /><br />I even made up a chart:<br /><br />http://www.cookingmanager.com/is-this-food-safe-to-eat/mother in israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13715046177293916034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-90988223570824907612010-05-03T08:31:54.054-04:002010-05-03T08:31:54.054-04:00Mother, the study a few years ago that showed that...Mother, the study a few years ago that showed that mayo was not as much of a problem as it was thought because of the vinegar in it, also said that foods made with mayo should not be left out at room temp for more than one hour because most of the foods the mayo is mixed with are non-acid and there's not enough acid in the mayo to protect the food in warm temperatures. They specifically mention potatoes, tuna and egg salad made from cooked eggs.<br /><br />Another thing which is being looked at is that dry food, like most breads, cakes, cookies, pretzels etc. are less at risk for bacterial poisoning of any kind precisely because they are dry, not just because any eggs in them have been cooked. Moist foods are more at risk for contamination and provide a better medium for bacteria to grow. So no, kugel should not be left out at room temperature, particularly when that room temperature is in the summer or on warm/hot days. And neither should moist potato salad or any of the other foods like that. <br /><br />In the US last year there were about 2 million cases of salmonella poisoning and about 11 million reported cases of food poisoning or food related illnesses, not counting allergic reactions. That's not counting those who might get an upset stomache after eating but don't see it as possibly being a kind of food contamination. Who knows how many millions more got just a "touch" of food poisoning and didn't report it. This is one area where it really is better to be safe than sorry and to handle food correctly when it comes to temperature.Ruthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-81207417316719666812010-05-03T02:45:12.081-04:002010-05-03T02:45:12.081-04:00Yes, my mom was born in Europe and arrived in the ...Yes, my mom was born in Europe and arrived in the US as a child in the 30s. <br />I agree, cooked eggs are not problematic. In my climate, though, I can't leave kugel out.<br /><br />Mayo is overrated as a safety hazard. If you went away for a week and opened your fridge, which would you eat: the leftover tuna (w/out mayo) or the mayo? Mayo is full of preservatives, and even homemade has lemon juice/vinegar that keeps it stable. The problem with raw eggs is salmonella, and there are signs that the egg is spoiled if you watch out for them.mother in israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13715046177293916034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-61605031803257348672010-05-02T23:34:14.769-04:002010-05-02T23:34:14.769-04:00Shaindy,
The difference between kugel and potato ...Shaindy,<br /><br />The difference between kugel and potato salad with respect to food safety is that the eggs in kugel are fully cooked, while the eggs in potato salad (mayonnaise) are not. Because the eggs in the mayo aren't cooked, they must be kept refriegerated to prevent food poisoning. But eggs in baked foods such as kugels don't spoil quickly, which is why food safety experts are not concerned about cakes, cookies, or challahs kept at room temperature for extended periods of time (even though these foods often contain eggs).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-73438308103632094582010-05-02T20:13:18.366-04:002010-05-02T20:13:18.366-04:00Top 20 Most Healthy Foods
from David Zinczenko, ye...<b>Top 20 Most Healthy Foods<br />from David Zinczenko, year 2007</b><br />******************************************<br />Almonds, Avocado, Barley, Berries (raspberries, blueberries, strawberries), Black beans, Broccoli, Cantaloupe, Eggs (this may mean the white part only), Kiwi fruit, Low fat yogurt, Mango, Oats and oatmeal, Olive oil, Quinoa, Salmon, Spinach and kale, Sweet potato, Tomatoes, Turkey, Wheat germ<br />__________________________________________<br /><a rel="nofollow">To receive quick quotes from Jewish Torah books, go to:</a><br /><br />http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/Mr. Cohenhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-16129696030994598312010-05-02T17:56:20.923-04:002010-05-02T17:56:20.923-04:00Mother, was your mom from Europe? It may be that s...Mother, was your mom from Europe? It may be that she was used to room temperature kugel and that no one got obviously sick when eating it so she knew it was safe based on that. But the US government does not recommend serving dishes containing eggs at room temperature because to get that way they have to stay out of the refrigerator for a time period that bacteria could start to grow on the food. It's the same reason why they also don't recommend leaving any foods like potato salad out at room temperatures for a few hours because of the eggs in the mayo. Not everyone gets sick when eating these foods but the chances increase a lot that someone will get sick.Shaindynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-41931865131533430712010-05-02T15:39:30.103-04:002010-05-02T15:39:30.103-04:00My mother insisted that the proper way to serve ku...My mother insisted that the proper way to serve kugel was at room temperature. And since she was close to fanatical about food safety (as readers of CookingManager.com know), that is a powerful statement.mother in israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13715046177293916034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-39138399291815458162010-05-02T14:15:06.001-04:002010-05-02T14:15:06.001-04:00Maybe the reason there is a lot of misinformation,...Maybe the reason there is a lot of misinformation, as well as some romanticizing, is that many immigrants did not want to talk about what they left behind because it was too painful. My grandparents never discussed the old country, probably because of the pain of leaving family behind pre WWI, and many I know of my parents and grandparent's generation who left due to the holocaust obviously had other reasons for not discussing what came before life in America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-79605958697414131352010-05-02T12:26:07.286-04:002010-05-02T12:26:07.286-04:00it's funny. most controversial jblog posts abo...it's funny. most controversial jblog posts about kugel concern the person, not the food. :)Lion of Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-34530286660986345592010-05-02T12:08:00.705-04:002010-05-02T12:08:00.705-04:00PROFK:
my son's babysitter was just telling u...PROFK:<br /><br />my son's babysitter was just telling us friday night about how when she grew up in poland they slept on straw (changed once a year for pesach)<br /><br />as far as warming up foods, i don't know how they did it, but i assume there must have been ways. the literature of early poskim is full of material on warming up food on shabbat.<br /><br />my grandmother was an orphan (with typical stories like walking in snow without shoes, etc.). the first time she remembers eating meat was when she came to america (about 8 years old) and there was a wedding for other new arrivals in the immigrant detention center.<br />anyway, she used to make a few kopecs to pay for schoolbooks by delivering the cholent that people would store overnight in the baker's oven. i also read about this practice, i think in hugo mandel's memoirs of life in a turn-of-the-century south german village (a quick and easy read and highly recommended)Lion of Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-50853515303801704452010-05-02T11:24:28.880-04:002010-05-02T11:24:28.880-04:00Tzipi -- I also bet you didn't see two separat...Tzipi -- I also bet you didn't see two separate stoves or ovens, two separate wells/dish washing areas, etc., and because all clothes had to be hung on a line to dry, no one worried about not hanging out undergarments where members of the opposite sex could see them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-69825213299802453562010-05-02T11:03:49.536-04:002010-05-02T11:03:49.536-04:00Anon,
Some of them slept under sacks filled with ...Anon,<br /><br />Some of them slept under sacks filled with straw gathered from the fields. Many of the mattresses of that time period were also filled with straw.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-57208257079795623532010-05-02T10:48:16.099-04:002010-05-02T10:48:16.099-04:00I'm a little confused. I thought everyone slep...I'm a little confused. I thought everyone slept with feather comforters in that time period. Wool would have been very expensive for blankets so I can see how not everyone could afford that. If not everyone had feather comforters what did they sleep with?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-54382512703229520372010-05-02T10:41:41.321-04:002010-05-02T10:41:41.321-04:00On a heritage tour back to Europe we visited the s...On a heritage tour back to Europe we visited the small towns where our parents grew up and were able to see some of the houses where the Jews lived in those towns. Even today you can't call those modern kitchens and they were much worse 60-100 years ago. A lot of them weren't kitchens at all in the way we think of them. Where my mom grew up the kitchen was a stove outside with a pump to the well for water. I remember my mom telling me that the only hot food they ate on Shabbos was on Friday night because they would wrap the soup kettle into blankets.Tzipinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-8665849898469628522010-05-02T10:35:51.790-04:002010-05-02T10:35:51.790-04:00Very true. We also have to remember that "th...Very true. We also have to remember that "the old country" encompassed many regions and countries and covered a large area with different traditions and different foods available and things like iceboxes becoming available at very different times. <br />My grandparents came from Russia some time in the early part of the 20th century. They were teens and most of the cooking they learned and foods that became their traditional foods were what jews in NYC ate. The only food that was truly traditional for them was borsht, chicken soup, matso balls and latkes. They didn't make potato kugels or chulent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com