tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post4442063274806453515..comments2024-02-23T04:39:49.329-05:00Comments on Conversations in Klal: What Price Choice?ProfKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-26190667530982070542010-11-09T08:54:56.104-05:002010-11-09T08:54:56.104-05:00JS,
I'll take that posting suggestion under ad...JS,<br />I'll take that posting suggestion under advisement. Some of my students already feel I'm rather "witchy" so why not add gazing into a crystal ball to the mix.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-57997761011629557392010-11-08T13:35:54.797-05:002010-11-08T13:35:54.797-05:00ProfK,
Along the lines of the topic of this post,...ProfK,<br /><br />Along the lines of the topic of this post, what do you think klal is going to look like in, say, 50 years? What is the ultimate result of all the choices being made individually and as a group along with the price tag that is being paid?<br /><br />Will more people be working or less people be working?<br /><br />Will full-time learning be more popular or less popular? Will people be doing it for longer or shorter?<br /><br />Will more of klal be located in major cities or out of town?<br /><br />Will yeshivas still be sustainable or will the model of full-time private school no longer exist? Will alternate models of educating our youth become dominant?<br /><br />Will klal be wealthier or poorer than it is today? Will we have more institutions or less? More charities or less?<br /><br />Curious what your thoughts are. Maybe it can be another post?JSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-16492195035358012612010-11-08T13:12:17.971-05:002010-11-08T13:12:17.971-05:00It's not just the individuals in klal that are...It's not just the individuals in klal that are making bad choices and paying a high price. Groups in klal are also making those bad choices. Some are already paying a high price and some will be paying that high price soon. There have already been some yeshiva closings because of bad choices. There will be more. You cannot choose not to work at all and not have to pay a reallly high price for that at some point. <br /><br />How I see it is that some of these groups have made their choices and now they would like all the rest of us to pay the price along with them or instead of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-61946323405270474182010-11-08T11:30:12.625-05:002010-11-08T11:30:12.625-05:00I agree with you that if you don't like your c...I agree with you that if you don't like your choice then change it is the way to go. But there are times and places where your choice of choices can be that none of them are good or what you really want. Sometimes you are going to pay too high a price no matter which of the choice options you choose, but you have to choose one of them because not choosing is not an option. Unless you become an unmarried hermit on some mountain top and can choose to do so, you are going to run into situations where all the choices you can make stinkBrucenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-9657407738464008612010-11-08T10:22:11.958-05:002010-11-08T10:22:11.958-05:00Leahle: Your example about the store works for co...Leahle: Your example about the store works for commodities where there is competition in the marketplace. The analogy doesn't work quite so well for yeshivas if the community leadership/rabbis are saying that anything other than full-time k-12 yeshiva education in a [fill in the blank - gender separated, no secular studies, whatever] is acceptable or if there is only one yeshiva in Town chargin $x.oo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-43574058331606497932010-11-08T10:10:34.748-05:002010-11-08T10:10:34.748-05:00Good post.
The constant whining and complaining r...Good post.<br /><br />The constant whining and complaining recently are just too much, in my opinion. Yes, complaining is the first step, but often, it's the only step. The worst form of complaining is that everyone should have to change but me. And it's that type of complaining that has taken over the chump blog - I make $200k so I don't have to change; the scholarship families, administrators, teachers, board members, etc. all have to change, but not me, I'm perfect just the way I am. You can present 101 different options to people like this and nothing is good enough because they shouldn't have to change. They made their choice and shouldn't have to make another one.<br /><br />I think this post summarizes about 95% of the problems in klal.JSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-66490658464923026062010-11-08T08:08:34.815-05:002010-11-08T08:08:34.815-05:00I'm getting that only complaining and not doin...I'm getting that only complaining and not doing anything about the complaint means you need to make another choice. But isn't complaining sometimes the first step? A simple example. You get bad service at a store you choose to shop in. Shouldn't the first step be to complain to the manager? That's a type of taking action. If that step gets no change then you have to make a decision to shop there or not. At that point complaining about the store but still shopping there would be ridiculous.Leahlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-64512106110217552922010-11-08T07:40:08.900-05:002010-11-08T07:40:08.900-05:00Anonymous,
Reference "And if you believe that...Anonymous,<br />Reference "And if you believe that changes could be made to the place where you are residing, changes that would make you happier, then get up off the chair and work hard, harder, hardest at getting those changes instituted--don't expect the other person to do things for you." <br /><br />My complaint is with those who move to/live in Community X, complain bitterly about their choices and do nothing to bring about change. It's on the order of "Put up or shut up." In those cases you are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. If you can't or won't work towards changing things then either be quiet or move. Otherwise, as Shakespeare said, they are "full of the sound and fury, signifying nothing."ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2096776708897685863.post-12822975764638300242010-11-08T07:29:31.457-05:002010-11-08T07:29:31.457-05:00ProfK: Surely you aren't suggesting (as a pre...ProfK: Surely you aren't suggesting (as a pre-coffee read or misread might suggest) that someone not work to expand the options that result from choosing a specific neighborhood, such as by working for lower-cost schools. Yes, its silly to move to a town knowing that tuition is 15k/year for K-6 and rises at an annual rate of 4% on average and then complain that you have to work 50 hour weeks and not have the luxury of a SAHM, but what's wrong with trying to change things? Should jews not have moved to the u.s. in the 1800's and first half of the 1900's knowing that there is antisemitism? Should those that came have just accepted it, or should they have worked for civil rights and anti-discrimination laws?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com